Looking into this a little further, board components and layout on the T3A look to be virtually identical to the KSGER station, the MCU I think (just looking roughly at images) seem to be pin compatiable with the KSGER equivelent, they seem to be using a GD32 MCU instead of an STM32⌠would likely be trivial porting the KSGER CFW to this unit with minimal modification to the code and the only real area of code modification is going to be regarding the LCD⌠so maybe is the best futureproof choice, or best choice if you want a bit of a project and modify the code yourself and pretty up the menu system etc
Always
Yeah looks like junk⌠7-seg display, crappy and pointless soldering iron addon, no-name brand, inconsistent specifications listed⌠the only thing itâs got going for it is price⌠but hardly worth it when you donât know the brand or how itâs going to behave
Care to share the costs + postage so I donât have to sign up? (I wonât be ordering from them for this simple reason⌠weâre not in the 90âs anymore)
besides, unless itâs significantly cheaper than the BST canât think why you would opt for the Quik style imho
Hi, I created an account, but it require manual check on their side, will let you know probably tomorrow.
In the meantime I agree that unless significant difference, not sure why not to go with the Best. Letâ see
OMG it gets worse⌠I wouldnât order from them even if they were 50% cheaper than elsewhere websites like this shouldnât exist anymore⌠more often than not itâs because they know theyâre charging well above RRP compared to elsewhere and are just trying to wear you out to purchase from them
In my case I went ahead and ordered the BST and also ordered that T3A station while I was at it, both out of curiosity
The price should be purchased for about âŹ220 shipped to Belgium. The Atten ST-862D is a good alternative and can be bought for âŹ180 to âŹ200.
The quick follows the kiss principle; no fancy touchscreens or other stupid features. It has buttons for temperature, air flow and and 3 channel Presets. Thatâs all it has and all it needs.
It can be calibrated if you read the manual. I havenât calibrated mine and it works just fine.
I have watched Louis rossmannsâ review of the atten and it didnât make me wish I bought that one instead. I was still happy with my purchase.
Yeah, thatâs about what I expected⌠overpriced
Not looked into the Atten specs but the Quick is under specced on paper and in practice (from what Iâve seen) vs the BST for more money and a worse display. As I mentioned, not sure why anyone would pay more for a worse machine (?)
Have to say I agree and also prefer physical buttons over capactive but from what Iâve seen the BST style seems pretty responsive to be fair and with the x3 presets I donât see if as a dealbreaker⌠plus it has the option of what looks like a fantastic mod board to add analogue controls which would dominate both in terms of functionality - which afaik the Quick doesnât have [the option of]
I never said t couldnât (?) and I would hope so
I think sometimes (and I donât mean any offence directly to you here but rather in general) people get hung up on what used to be good for the money instead of looking for whatâs now better for the money, itâs the same reason people still reccommend buying overpriced and out of date Hakko stations when there are many better options
You also see that with cars in general to be fair, people buying for example Audi or BMW will tell you they are fantastic cars, 0 issue whatsoever, in fact they have problem, like all the others. Of course there are better cars than others, thatâs not what i mean they are all equal, but for sure, all cars do have issues (and believe me, i have seen quite a lot of them in a bunch of car brands).
Look anyway a bit more expensive than the findings we made around on Aliexpress. Of course, as it is a European company, you could argue and guess that the so-called âwarrantyâ should be honored better, but thatâs just an hypothesis, i have seen some crazy discussion with big companies around warranties that makes me wonder how dare those companies take money from people, they just shouldnât exist (and again, this is kind of everywhere, not only in Europe).
From my side as i repaired my old friend Aoyue, i am not in a hurry, i will order the KSGER station first, because soldering is really what drives me crazy at the moment, i need thinner tip that works and not play around with many of them that just donât hold solder at the edge of the tip but in the middle.
Another one is oscilloscopes, you can get some fantastic old school and simple analogue CRT style scopes (Iâd love one) but would I reccommend anyone buy one today as your only option for modern electronic diagnosis? (weâre talking more niche situattions here) and the answer would be a resounding no! I would get a low end budget digital as itâs almost certainly going to be more useful and outspec and outperform the old school in every way (even if the CRT looks nicer/cooler)
In the case of these hot air stations none are ideal and there are things I would change on all of them, but in terms of specifications, functionality. upgradeablility and price the BST-863 seems to be the best all rounder as far as I can tell and itâs a semi-decent âbrandâ. Though as Iâve mentioned all these stations are 90% the same inside the main body, identical EMI filters, identical motors/fans, identical transformers, identical (though subject to change board revs in all) brushless phase controllers, identical layout⌠the primary difference is the front panel PCB (and in turn MCU) and display, and variations in gun/wand type - this could be in terms of the handle having a different moulding completely, being the same with the inclusion of a switch, being the same/different with a differet wattage element installed, being the same/different with a different end âgauzeâ at the end⌠these are the primary areas which alter the specifications and apparent efficiency of the station and what to look out for when choosing. afaict, the BST might have a beefier element etc but the wand/gun looks identical with the Quick (and many others) with the parts likely being interchangeable bwetween the two in the event something goes wrong (likely on all these Chinese stations) I couldnât say the same for getting replacement parts for the Atten though for example as it seems to use a different handle etc.
So basically, itâs pointless being loyal to any of these companies, theyâre all made in China, use 90% the same parts (if not the whole machine made in the same factory) and tbh if your considering the Quick, you may as well opt for the many 1:1 clones instead as I see no benefit outside of what I mentioned above
Yep, i would even say, itâs pointless in being loyal to any companies in general. Everything evolves so fast today, something true today might not be the case tomorrow. I think taking one step back and analyses whatâs the best value at the moment we want to buy and for the usage we have is really the best approach overall.
I ordered the Best hot air station yesterday. The fact is that i got 2 Xbox One X to repair, one was fairly simple, Retimer IC to replace, job done, console working again, then i got the second one which turns on and within a second goes off with the chime sound of the poweron working.
I havenât found any âworkingâ diagnosis out on the web, neither in this forum besides someone saying in this thread : Xbox One X - Ding and light when power button pressed, turns off after a few seconds and also in this one : Another One X that turns off then turns off (Partial power) with pictures! that this issue might be related to either APU or soutbridge issue. I tried to at least reflow the southbridge, to give a start somewhere letâs say, and after pre-heating the back and using my Aoyue for 15min max air flow and max temperature, the SB wouldnât move a bit. I gave up and ordered the Best By the way, this Xbox One X turning on then off is not something that people talk about much on the web
I donât typically donât work on Xbox consoles so canât help you directly here but all board repair I do fundamentally follow the same procedures and as you currently have two consoles which are the same your in the perfect position to perform these tests. First would be to check the voltages provided by the AC to DC converter (this might be 12V and maybe a 5V rail) and ensure they are being generated, if all good second step would be to check the resistance to ground on all your primary power rails - as your suspecting APU issues youâd start with those rails first - you can find them at the inductors [likely] surrounding the APU and compare with the other now known good board
Haha yeah not to surprised the Aoyue would have struggled on such a high mass board hopefully the BST can get the job done when it arrives, though I would start with the above mentioned tests before attempting reflow of any major IC
yes, i will try to look at that, only issue is that i will have to give the good console back to the customer either today or tomorrow, donât have much time to address that today, but letâs see, if i have time to check, i will create a thread in the Xbox section of the forum anyway.
And for the Best, yes, letâs see, it will come from Czech Republic, so in theory according to the tracking, it will arrive around 11th of March, i found a good deal on Banggood, 160⏠shipping included. It will arrive before my KSGER which i ordered last week already
Thats a pretty good price, think you even managed to get it cheaper than me⌠Aliexpress incorporates tax now at checkout so think it wound up costing me about 150GBP when all was said and done
I really hope your unit will be alrght, I saw a post over on the EEVBlog forum of someone who got this station from banggood and they were sent x2 DOA units in a row⌠dunno if Banggood are selling customer returns of what or if theyâve resolved this now
I saw that thread as well, letâs see, i am not too concerned, there will always be more people complaining than the other way around on one hand, and on the other, transaction through paypal, so i am not worried about them not taking actions if something really happens. Letâs see how it goes and i will report anyway, in good or bad
received my unit, tried to use this weekend and guess what ⌠it is working haha I must be honest that it is really working well compare to my Aoyue, i still need to check out for the best settings on my side for the different job i need to do, and hell, hopefully i receive my 45° nozzles quickly because straight one makes it hard for me with my microscope that is so close to the board.
However, i think first the custom board from this person in Portugal is a must, because the beep and initialization is kind of a pain, not the worst, but still. And with my unit, i donâ t know if this is normal, but i get a very strange noise when shutting it down : Best BST-863 strange noise - YouTube
Not sure which component is making this noise, i wasnât able to locate it yet. Let me know when you receive yours if you have the same.
Yeah that beeping is super annoying. Iâm hoping the unmarked IC on the existing front panel PCB is an atmel⌠in which case Iâll modify the FW myself and install two rotary encoders⌠if the MCU isnât an atemel and/or I canât figure out what it is, then Iâll be getting the mod board too
Hmm bit hard to tell, maybe itâs the phase controller for the fan/motor, they can make odd noises like that
Yeah Iâll let you know, itâs in the country now but stuck in customs⌠so probably another week knowing them
My BST showed up earlier, packaging was terrible and was just sent in the actual product box with no ext box, comes with one of those stupid EU stlye plugs which is missing the earth pin (unsafe for obvious reasons), they didnât even bother to include a travel adapter⌠why is it sometimes I have these IEC cables in abundance and other tmes canât find one to save my life anywayâŚ
Machine seems nice, being able to set below 100C is nice change (canât do that on my other station), touch/capactitve buttons are surprisingly responsive, display is bright and clear albeit simplistic, the need to press set everytime to change the temperature is annoying as well as the beeping. My unit is obviously used/secondhand which Iâm really not thrilled about with solder spatter stuck on the guns rubber/silicone hose and brown scorching//residue on metal shaft of the hot air gunâŚThe hose is nice and flexible but maybe too flexible as itâs inclined to kink at some angles which is going to affect airflow. That noise your hearing when turning off the mains power switch seems to be coming from the piezo buzzer, would imagine a high value pulldown resistor to ground on the speaker may resolve this or TVS diode maybe (depending on whats causing this) though I imagine current limiting resistor for this piezo (Iâm just guessing itâs piezo) to reduce itâs volume as a whole will reduce this in gerneral, if youâve ordered the mod board I wouldnât worry about it.
All in all Iâm happy with the unit but not too pleased about paying full whack for an obviously used item
Well man, i am sorry about that, i am perfectly with you that unless you pay lower the price, things needs to come brand new if they are sold as such.
If i were you, i would make a full bunch of pictures and immediately open a dispute on Aliexpress, just to get part of the money back at least.
On Amazon you can buy their âWarehouseâ stuff, but they are cheaper at least (most of the time).
Well, i think next month i will buy the mod, this month was an expensive one, i need to recover But overall i am super happy with this hot air station, it changes my life so far
I couldnât resist the urge to pick the solder spatter off the silcone hose, so maybe Iâll have to duplicate this to get my point across if I open a dispute
Yeah agree, itâs not on, especially on devices like this which are using consumables such as the element etc⌠who knows how long itâs been in operation before being sent to me
Haha I understand, I did the same thing, I shouldnât have bought that T3A station really but curiosity got the better of me, btw Iâll measure the voltage for the line going to the cradle in a bit so you get a better idea of how theyâre doing it which should offer confirmation on your station
Yeah seems good, though I donât know if you seeing the hose kinking sometimes too? donât get me wrong itâs pretty hard to get it to do it and it doesnât happen often but it doesnât seem to take much to cut off the air, if i lightly pinch the hose with my fingers I can pretty much cut off 90% of the supply, no idea what the loss is when it kinks on itâs own
I also noticed the handle threads werenât all the way tightened and could feel air loss there too, tightening them up itâs pretty good but I can still feel ever so slight loss here, maybe only less than 1%, maybe Iâm being pedantic but I suppose if you wanted 100% efficiency youâd put some PTFE tape around these threads, doesnât cost anything I suppose⌠just not used to it I suppose after using a fan in handle style for so long with no losses in this regard.
websites like this shouldnât exist anymore⌠more often than not itâs because they know theyâre charging well above RRP compared to elsewhere and are just trying to wear you out to purchase from them
